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By E. M. Gilbert Jr.

This proposal is to improve judging and to improve breed type. The tools are available, but present AKC rules forbid their use. The tools are the wicket and the scales.

Many breeds are suffering due to the inability of judges to accurately determine breed height and weight unless it is a disqualification. Yet many Standards provide the height and weight limits and include a statement that certain limits are serious faults. Yet without measuring a judge does not truly know if an entry is over or under the height or weight limit called out in the Standard. Judging should not be based on guess work. A judge should be able to use a wicket and/or scale to make an intelligent decision in regard to an entry that the judge has a question as to its height or weight.

Refer to the table 2 for Hound breed Standards that specifically discuss height and/or weight limitations that should be penalized. A judge should be able to measure and/or weigh these breeds to accurately make a determination if a penalty is in order - this will remove the "to the end of the line syndrome." Height and weight DQ’s are also listed in the table.

Similar tables can be made for the other five groups and miscellaneous. They are not included due to length of the Newsletter.

A listing was provided for all AKC breed Standards where height limitations are listed that are not a DQ in the September 2009 Newsletter. Table 1 Sporting breed Standards, October 2009 Newsletter, specifically lists height and/or weight limitations that should be penalized. Height and weight DQ’s are also listed in the table.

The tools – wicket and scales - are there at the show, let the judge use them.

Table 2. Hound Breed Standards that specifically discuss Height and/or Weight limitations that should be penalized. Also includes Height and/or weight DQ Breeds.

Afghan Hound
Dogs, 27 inches, plus or minus one inch; bitches, 25 inches, plus or minus one inch.
Dogs, about 60 pounds; bitches, about 50 pounds.

Ideal height for dogs is 17 inches and bitches 16 inches. Approximate weight for dogs, 24 pounds and bitches, 22 pounds. Lightly built within this height to weight ratio.

Basset Hound
The height should not exceed 14 inches. Height over 15 inches at the highest point of the shoulder blade is a disqualification.

There shall be two varieties:
Thirteen Inch--which shall be for hounds not exceeding 13 inches in height.
Fifteen Inch--which shall be for hounds over 13 but not exceeding 15 inches in height.
Any hound measuring more than 15 inches shall be disqualified.

Black and Tan Coonhound
Size measured at the shoulder--Males 25 to 27 inches; females 23 to 25 inches. Oversized dogs should not be penalized when general soundness and proportion are in favor. Penalize undersize.

The mean average height of adult dogs is 26 inches, and of adult bitches 24 inches. Dogs usually vary from 25 inches to 27 inches, and bitches from 23 inches to 25 inches; but, in either case, the greater height is to be preferred, provided that character and quality are also combined.
The mean average weight of adult dogs, in fair condition, is 90 pounds, and of adult bitches 80 pounds. Dogs attain the weight of 110 pounds, bitches 100 pounds. The greater weights are to be preferred, provided (as in the case of height) that quality and proportion are also combined.

Mature males should be at least 28 inches at the withers and mature bitches at least 26 inches at the withers. Dogs and bitches below these respective limits should be severely penalized; dogs and bitches above the respective limits should not be penalized as long as extra size is not acquired at the expense of symmetry, speed and staying quality. Range in weight for males from 75 to 105 pounds and for bitches from 15 to 20 pounds less.

Bred and shown in two sizes, standard and miniature; miniatures are not a separate classification but compete in a class division for "11 pounds and under at 12 months of age and older." Weight of the standard size is usually between 16 and 32 pounds.

American Foxhound
Dogs should not be under 22 or over 25 inches. Bitches should not be under 21 or over 24 inches measured across the back at the point of the withers, the hound standing in a natural position with his feet well under him.

English Foxhound
The chest should girth over 31 inches in a 24-inch hound, and the back ribs must be very deep.

Dogs, 65 to 70 pounds; bitches 60 to 65 pounds.

Size--19 to 21 inches for dogs and bitches, variation of one inch in either direction is acceptable.

Ibizan Hound
Size--The height of dogs is 23½ inches to 27½ inches at the withers. Bitches are 22½ to 26 inches at the withers. There is no preference for size within this range. Sizes slightly over or under the norms are not to be regarded as demerits when other qualities are good. Weight--Average weight of dogs is 50 pounds; bitches, 45 pounds

Irish Wolfhound
The minimum height and weight of dogs should be 32 inches and 120 pounds; of bitches, 30 inches and 105 pounds; these to apply only to hounds over 18 months of age. Anything below this should be debarred from competition. Great size, including height at shoulder and proportionate length of body, is the desideratum to be aimed at, and it is desired to firmly establish a race that shall average from 32 to 34 inches in dogs, showing the requisite power, activity, courage and symmetry.

Norwegian Elkhound
Height at the withers for dogs is 20½ inches, for bitches 19½ inches. Weight for dogs about 55 pounds, for bitches about 48 pounds.

Males are approximately 27 inches at the withers, and weigh approximately 115 lbs. Bitches are approximately 24 inches at the withers, and weigh approximately 80 lbs. This is not an absolute, but rather a guideline.

Petit Basset Griffon Vendeen
Size -- Both sexes should measure between 13 and 15 inches at the withers. Height of adult dogs over 15 inches or under 13 inches at the withers is a disqualification.

Pharaoh Hound
The following description is that of the ideal Pharaoh Hound. Any deviation from the below described dog must be penalized to the extent of the deviation… 
Height--Dogs 23 inches--25 inches. Bitches 21 inches--24 inches.

Size--Height--Males--20 to 25 inches at the withers. Females 20 to 23 inches at the withers… Weight--(in hunting condition) Males-- 50 to 60 pounds. Females 40 to 55 pounds.

Rhodesian Ridgeback
Dogs--25 to 27 inches in height; Bitches--24 to 26 inches in height. Desirable weight: Dogs--85 pounds; Bitches--70 pounds.

Dogs should average in height from 23 to 28 inches and bitches may be considerably smaller, this being very typical of the breed.

Scottish Deerhound
Height of Dogs--From 30 to 32 inches, or even more if there be symmetry without coarseness, which is rare. Height of Bitches--From 28 inches upwards. There is no objection to a bitch being large, unless too coarse, as even at her greatest height she does not approach that of the dog, and therefore could not be too big for work as overbig dogs are.
From 85 to 110 pounds in dogs, and from 75 to 95 pounds in bitches.

Ideal height for dogs, 19 to 22 inches; for bitches, 18 to 21 inches, measured at the highest point of the withers. More than one-half inch above or below the stated limits will disqualify.